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Dr Simon Rogoff's avatar

This is really interesting. Thanks. I have often wondered whether psychopathy is actually antisocial personality disorder, as dsm calls it, with comorbid autism. I would love to see this tested. And there is an additional neglected aspect of vulnerable and grandiose narcissism: Some people oscillate between both. I havent read up on your references. But my first query would be whether a questionnaire measures of narcissism are validated for detecting narcissism in those with autism. Most arent. This sounds like a potential problem with interpreting the results. But i think as a research question its important.

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KC's avatar

What an excellent post! I am an autistic LCSW that has often wondered about the similarities between other people’s perceptions of ‘narcissists’ and how it may feel to the person displaying the traits. I have recently come to the awareness that I likely fit the bill as a ‘vulnerable narcissist’ but without harm to others. It’s more likely a result of ongoing sensitivity to rejection and coping mechanisms from many many micro rejections over the years.

It also seems like more and more traits that used to be associated with shyness or introversion are now being labeled as narcissistic. Genuinely hurt and withdraw? Toxic. Being quiet to process or feel that you want to manage your emotions so you don’t lash out? Passive aggressive silent treatment. The tendency to label anyone as a narcissist (or other equally damning words like fascists or ists) lacks nuance and damns people to being irredeemable and is ultimately dehumanizing. It puts people in tidy boxes that we never have to engage with.

There’s no winning with the MH industry. There’s so much cognitive dissonance within it that continues to label variations in personality as deviant. Despite the thousand plus pages in the DSM, none have ever been able to define what ‘normal’ is.

There’s a great documentary called the Century of the Self by Adam Curtis about the early origins of the psychology industry and how it derived from propaganda and crowd control techniques developed by Edward Bernard.

Really love the work you’re doing here.

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